is related to the "Dark" Entities piece by Melora.
I hope that including this information is not unseemly. Indeed,
it is my feeling that including this will be helpful to people
who don't usually receive such help in understanding what happens
at the soul level to someone who commits suicide. --Joanna
We are Melora, and we would like to discuss
the difference in the impact on the soul when a suicide is by
ones own hand and own free will vs. suicide that has happened
because dark entities in that person have driven the person to
do it. As you know, oftentimes destruction to the body
is something that these entities seem to enjoy doing as they
feed on fear and are actually nurtured by torturing a person
at the soul level as well as at the physical level.
The subject came up because our Jyoti
[Joanna], as she may have told you, has recently been thinking
about her friend Jaine. Certain people in the street will remind
Jyoti of Jaine, and so forth. We would like to explain this first,
before we move to the other question. Jaines energy consciousness,
as we would put it, is focused here at this time because of the
various portals of consciousness and the various portals of light
bearing that consciousness back and forth between "places."
Back and forth in time and space - back and forth in no-time,
no space. And so it is not as though Jaines consciousness
is in the astral plane, looking back and haunting somebody.
Our Jyoti, being an Energy Sensitive to
begin with, being a channel and also caring about Jaine from
Jaines life here, is very sensitive to those energy signatures
that we describe as being Jaine Peters. The number one concern
that our Jyoti and others have about Jaine Peters is, of course,
her soul well-being and what caused this horrible suicide (setting
herself on fire). They still wonder why she did it and what effects
this might have had on Jaine at the soul level. Having worked
with her after her death, you [R.B.] understand what she was
facing at that time.
As we recall, she was under attack by
five archdemonic realms and, indeed, they drove her (flying on
the coattails of her own shame, her self-destructiveness as a
result of that shame). They "rode those coattails,"
as you use the expression through and pushed her into the suicide.
Now, as you know (having worked with these elements and energies),
they at some point become virtually indistinguishable from the
persons personality in terms of how the person relates
to herself, and in terms of how those who know that person receive
This is thorough entrenchment of a person
by these entities. It has happened gradually, over time: greater
and greater power exerted by the entities, greater and greater
entrenchment. To those around them, and to the person herself,
this is still that same person who has somehow "changed"
over time. It really has been almost like an accumulating poison
or an accumulating toxicity, in which at the beginning it wouldnt
harm you. However, the accumulation over time then becomes deadly
to you. On the energetic level it is much like this analogy.
RB: I speak of it as
amplification, and it increases.
Yes, and accumulation, so it is
as with arsenic given in small doses and then in greater and
greater doses, and so forth. It finally kills a person.
This is important to know because there
is so much judgment about suicide. This is mostly because of
religions. You can see how, coming down through history from
ages of tribal living, there would be a taboo against suicide
as murdering someone - yourself. That is a sort of common-sense,
bottom-line kind of understanding of suicide: You are taking
a life, and that is not okay karmically.
Part of why we wish to discuss this is
that there is so much judgment, guilt and fear among those who
are "survivors" of the one who commits suicide, who
remain living after that person has died. There is the prevailing
belief that suicide impinges on the soul progress of the person
after that persons death. Beings of the light ask you not
to hold people here by continuing to grieve for years and years,
and to remember that grief is about you- not about them. We remind
you that sometimes you can hold a persons spirit here by
your not being able to let them go.
By the same token, the fears and guilt
and shame surrounding the suicide and those who remain alive
after, also holds them here. It creates karma. In having this
discussion, were hoping that we are able to disseminate
this information and have people realize that when someone commits
suicide, generically it is harmful to them at the soul level
for you to keep asking "Why?" It is harmful because
youre essentially saying, "Dont go yet because
I need to know why you did this." Youre holding on
to them energetically and youre holding on to them karmically
in this lifetime as well as in other lifetimes in which you have
worked with them.
In holding them, you create almost a suspension
of energy in consciousness so that the person cannot move on.
Thus, theres a double role here. It is just as harmful
to the soul for people to be continuously asking, "Why did
she do this?" as it is harmful to be judging them for the
suicide itself according to some religious belief. It is just
as harmful as that suicide itself is to that soul. Therefore,
all are contributing to holding the soul back from its evolution
and from its travels forward in its education. Thats the
generic suicide were talking about, and we dont mean
this flippantly, of course. We mean the person who, our of her
own consciousness, killed herself of her own free will.
Now, yes, it is true (and we have said
this in our discussion of "dark" entities) that there
is a choice all along the way. People choose to be in
a state of self-abuse, whether its negative thought forms,
repetitive negativity about the self, feeling down on the self,
feeling less than or unworthy. By the way, these are typical
of those who choose to come into incarnation and have difficult
early childhood lives so that they can evolve spiritually and
not be "distracted" by totally blissful lives in which
why should they do "spiritual" things because life
is so enjoyable that they wouldnt go in that spiritual
Many have chosen that route, but not all
are strong enough to overcome what they chose to keep them from
forgetting, in incarnation, what their missions are here. Yes,
there is that part of the participation that is free will. If
the person keeps going in that direction, then negative entities
do have that portal in. In Jaines case, there were drugs
involved. [passages omitted] Because she didnt have the
strength or sense of self-respect that would have been required
to avoid these, they contributed greatly to the final act of
self-annihilation that was really a result of the entity possessions.
If there are negative entities, other
misqualified energies or entity possessions that cause the suicide,
when the soul leaves the body and goes through transition, that
part of the influence drops away. This is why entities are so
obsessing about using bodies in 3rd dimension: Once the persons
soul has left the body in transition, there is a dropping away
of those entities ability to follow that soul - except
where the person still doesnt come to consciousness at
that point of "Oh. This is what happened.. I would
do that differently next time." Do you see? If the soul
consciousness at that point does not recognize its own responsibility
in what happened, does not re-remember if you will, what it had
chosen to accomplish vs. what really happened - and stays in
denial - thats where the negative-entity karmic attachments
travel through successive lifetimes.
Thats where you say, "Oh. These
specific dark entities are also the same ones that were attached
to the person in his or her life in Medieval England" or
however many other lives. With Jaine, as an example, Jaine knew
a lot consciously. She had a lot of soul consciousness
of what youre calling New Age/Old Wisdom. It was the personality
level of Jaine through which she filtered her perception of her
reality in the body. Indeed, all problems, all suffering, comes
from this source. You call it ego; we call it the intersection
of ego/intellect/personality in combination. The personality
element is important because this involves what one feels about
When the ego, negative ego, intellect
and personality are fused, which they so often are in those who
are victims of abuse in childhood, there is the potential for
this self-perception that is very negative and self-punitive.
These aspects become fused over repetitive time in the persons
surviving. That pattern appears to protect the person from pain.
It appears to protect the person from the feeling of shame. People
use all kinds of other emotions to keep from feeling shame, because
it is the worst, the ickiest of all.
When the ego, negative ego, intellect
and personality are fused, that is the greatest impediment to
the evolution of consciousness. At the same time, at the soul
level, whatever consciousness exists about spiritual matters,
this consciousness is allowed to filter-in, is glimpsed and recorded
at the soul level.. Thus, as with Jaine, those who are driven
to suicide by negative entities and by the fusion of the personality/intellect/ego)
at the point of death, when that spark of soul consciousness
returns as the soul leaves the body, that is the moment of truth.
That is when Jaine effectively said, "Oh.
Now I understand." However, this is not common. For others,
at this moment what would happen is that they have no clue whatsoever.
The result is denial of death and hanging out in the astral plane
- not going to the light right away.
That is our main message about suicides
We do have a little bit more about the dark entities themselves
and whats going on in the background, is it were: At that
point at which that person commits suicide, the negative entities
no longer have control over the body. Thus, there is no point
in their sticking around.
RB: They no longer
have a source on which to feed.
Yes, and were talking about Jaine
because, obviously, this is the last residue of healing that
our Jyoti needs on this subject and because we perceive that
it would be helpful to others, as well, to know this. Jaine is
a very good example of this case in which a person is driven
by demonic forces. This has "haunted" our Jyoti for
awhile in terms of Jaines "future," if you will.
As with Jaine, at that moment when the
soul leaves the body, the negative discarnate entities say, "Oh,
well. Nuts! Now we have to look for somebody else." As with
Jaine, the person says, "Now I see" - and they have
that instant remembrance from the soul level of the spiritual
values that impelled them to come into physical incarnation
to express and to learn certain things - when they see that,
then those entities are out of there so fast you cant believe
it. Whoosh! Theyre gone, for those two reasons: the persons
conscious understanding and the fact that they then need someone
else to feed on.
That moment of truth - and not the suicide
- is the important and indelible, if you will, impression on
the soul. Now, if the person does not come to that soul remembrance
at that moment, their soul is impacted gravely by the suicide,
whether driven by dark entities or by their own hand. You may
infer from this that what were saying about Jaine is that
she successfully entered that moment of truth. She successfully
remembered consciously, energetically, at the soul level what
it was all about and where she "made her mistakes."
Therefore, her soul was not impinged by the suicide.
Now, when you were doing the examination,
you did help her, because it is not like a moment of "time"
as you know it. It is an energetic intersection - an inter-dimensional
consciousness energetic intersection. As you say, "All souls
must attend their own memorials."
There was a period of time in which for
you it was "time" but for Jaine it was not What we
are calling "that moment" of Jaines consciousness
in which she understood it all, for you, and for our Jyoti, that
"time" was weeks. Therefore, it doesnt matter
when you did the exam. Understand that this is why prayers
for people who have passed on are so critical. Your work with
her, our Jyotis work with her, various shamans work
with her, and the prayers of so many other people, allowed her
in that moment to escape the karma of what could have been. Your
work and prayers allowed her in that moment to come to soul consciousness.
Do you see? She did not do that alone.
RB: Thats where
we help one another..
Absolutely. As you are brilliant enough
to realize, we have given you several messages about that process,
and we thank you for helping us get this on tape. We perceive
that it will benefit many.
RB: Would it have helped,
had [Jaine] had IntraSound* [see channeling excerpts on IntraSound]
powder or gel at that time to raise her vibration above what
the entities were bringing in?
Yes. This and a number of other things
that would not have been her choice at the time.. We are hearing
that, even if it had been available to her, she probably would
not have availed herself of it . There were elements of her personality
that contributed directly to this downward spiral that she entered.
Remember that our Jyoti had initiated
Jaine into levels I and II Reiki, and these initiations also
helped her at the soul level because they are portals to enlightenment
as well as imparting the ability to use Reiki. These sparks of
God-consciouness that went out of the body when Jaines
soul left her body contributed to her successful passage into
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