S: Okay. Let's see. [Joanna]
says she needs a new kind of approach to connecting with the
version of God that is appropriate to her. Is it that worship
is inappropriate outside the Yahweh structure and teachings?
Is that why she can't figure out how to connect with Athena,
for example? Would Athena be an appropriate Goddess/God for Jody
to commune with? To pray to?
right, and our [Joanna] asks a number of questions there. Athena
would be an appropriate God/Goddess [for her] but
not to pray to--to commune with, not to worship. Our [Joanna],
for quite some years, has been able to commune with Athena. Again,
this is a major shift in her consciousness understanding and
allowance of a possibility in terms of not structuring a relationship
in terms of the old Yahweh paradigm . . . not structuring her
relationship with an Ascended Being or Deity, or whatever you
want to call who Athena is in all her many dimensions, or in
her multi-dimensional evolution. If our [Joanna] can indeed incorporate
what is coming in to her very DNA today this morning, then she
will realize that she can not only commune with Athena but she
can BE Athena, in a major sense, as an incarnational aspect of
the Goddess and be liberated from the separation that she has
experienced, not only in this lifetime but in other lifetimes
in that assignment with Athena here.
S: That's wonderful. So she'll
be able to do that?
MELORA: Now--in this understanding.
S: Thank you. [Joanna's] next
question is: "The ancients in Crete said that Athena created
Mankind on Earth. Could you comment on this?"
created some people on Earth. [laughs]
S: What is the correlation
between Athena, Shekhina, Mother Mary, and so forth?
MELORA: Again, they are various
expressions of Divine Feminine energy and lineage.
S: So they're all basically
MELORA: There are qualities of
each that are distinguished in certain ways. Just as you would
think of certain people having certain predominant personality
traits that others do not have, they embody or express various
aspects of the Divine Feminine. This means the more predominant
aspects--not that each one is not whole in itself but on Earth
and in all of Creation, whether you're thinking physical or energetic
into the many universes. Individual Souls will be at various
stages of, as we would put it, of "whole expression."
answer to the question "To whom is it appropriate to connect
as your Divine?": We would say your "Divine Guide"
is an appropriate expression--the highest Divine Guide that can
communicate with YOU, because beings evolve so far, they become
so advanced, that they cannot resonate with the density here
or have communion with it. Do you see? That is why it is necessary
to have "intercessors." That is why it is appropriate
to say to your Higher Self: "Please pass along this request
to my appropriate Divine Guide."
S: Yes, so we're talking about
"the chain of command."
MELORA: "The chain of communication"
is how we would term it.
S: That's even better. Thank
you. I want to get back to the question about those in ancient
Crete who said that Athena created mankind on Earth. You said
"some of them." Could you get a little more specific
about Athena's creations?
If you follow the embodiments of Athena (or the legends, as it
were--or the history, as we would call it) of her successive
embodiments on Earth and the interactions she had with people
on Earth, you're really tracing the Greek civilization back to
what they called its ancient roots. These roots are more ancient
than recorded history can give you because you go back approximately
only to the Iron Age, or you go back to some particular 3rd-dimensional
Age on Earth in written history and then before that you don't
have any information.
S: Are there any names that
we would recognize?
MELORA: We would really like
more to dwell on how she was expressed in more ancient times
(or how she expressed herself in ancient times). This
goes to our [Joanna's] question about the expression of healing
energy as it was seen and experienced clairvoyantly and its having
been associated with the snake, which was latched on to for the
whole thing about the Garden of Eden and Satan and all of this
kind of thing. In the most ancient times, Athena embodied on
Earth in a form of what we would call a priestess type being
and did have some commerce in Atlantis and Lemuria. But there
were civilizations previous to Atlantis that are unknown, or
unmentioned, in your time now.
has always come as a voice of clear understanding of the reality
not only on Earth but also above and has been variously misunderstood
or misinterpreted, as all other gods have been, according to
the limitations of human consciousness. Her healing has always
been aimed toward mental misunderstand- ings, clearing up illusion,
expressing the truth--meaning, the Higher Truth--even as it tries
to come through and express through 3rd-dimensional life and
Part of that healing energy, for Athena, is expressed as though
coming out in those finger-like flames that Jean Houston described--coming
out of her body and out of her energy source, which goes very
high up indeed to what we would think of as a Divinity even higher
than she . . . or her Overbeing at the level of God/Goddess.
her energy source almost like a computer hub, if you will, she
was able to draw energy from that source and have it come through
her body, without harm to her physical body, and actually envelope
chosen people with it. As we follow her into Classical Greece,
she is interpreted as having helped the Greeks against the Trojans,
and so forth. What happened at that point is that after many
millennia of association with the Greek ancestry as it comes
into expression in Classical Greece, people were long-familliar
with Athena's attributes but begin to impose certain qualities
on her and certain decisions and certain commerce that didn't
actually occur. This is much like the patriarchs of Judaism starting
to impose their agendas on the established religion.
S: That reminds me of what
you said [in another session] about Medusa--the males being afraid
of female power and creating a myth / legend / lie, whatever,
to discredit . . .
MELORA: Right. To discredit. Turning
Medusa into a gorgon's head with snaky hair that can turn people
into stone, etc.
S: But that wasn't Athena
. . .
MELORA: No. Of course not. And
neither was the springing forth in full armor from Zeus' head
business true. So they begin to create a myth about who Athena
S: [Joanna's] next question
is: "Is the most exalted expression of Athena as high or
higher than Yahweh?"
S: "Meaning the Yahweh
of the Old Testament?"
S: "Is there any place
[Joanna] can find information about Athena in her true goddess
day, when our [Joanna] is able to go to Athens and to visit the
Acropolis, she will be able to receive that information--quite
a lot of information--right into her energetic DNA and is able
to tap into that in certain "channeling" states, and
already has, by what she's posted on the website and experienced
in that way. That resolution is incomplete. As it says in the
article, the session [re: soul retrieval for an embodiment of
Athena in Classical Greece] ended abruptly, but we are telling
[[Joanna]] now, as she comes into full communion with Athena
in this appropriate and new way of understanding, that much of
this can be healed and resolved.
this embodiment for our [Joanna], going to the Acropolis is going
to flood her with information about many incarnations in that
lineage that she not only shares but that she has also embodied.
This, for her, would be the most direct way to retrieve that
information. Although it is possible to do it in states of meditation,
although in meditation she is going to get fragments that may
not be related to each other very easily for her, whereas actually
being in that energetic space is going to give our [Joanna]
this information. (By the way, the Parthenon still holds its
sacred morphogenic structure--as the Temple of Solomon still
exists morphogenically, as all great such as the Pyramid of Giza
sacred structures have the etheric architectural plan that precedes
the physical expression or materialization.)
S: Right. I think that's what
happened with me in Egypt, when I went to the [Great] Pyramid.
When's she going to Greece?
may not be for a time, just financially. We're seeing that it
may not be for another five to ten years.
S: The next question is about
[Joanna]'s friend, W., who said that Athena is a vibration of
radiation. That's why people are so often physically uncomfortable
with [Joanna]. This W. person said that [Joanna] also has this
vibration of radiation. Is this true?
receiving that this, again, is a partial understanding of a quality
of energy that all in the Athena Soul Assignment have. (And please
remind us to discuss, further, Soul Assignment concepts in case
we get diverted.) It's a certain resonance of energy, and it
may lie dormant. It can be latent in a person, but as our [Joanna]
continues to develop, this energy predominates more. This is
akin to what she said in the other new piece up on the website
about passive versus active spiritual energy. So you have the
passive Buddha-like or Quan Yin energy, which is like the Moon
Faced Buddha--of Grace operating without any directed energy.
It's just a being-ness energy. Then you have the Buddha with
the Sword, like the spiritual warrior energy of Archangel Michael,
and so forth. In that sense Athena has that more warrior-like
energy. It is an active, dynamic energy.
Now, when our [Joanna]
was young, she expressed this in activity, so there would
be a dynamism in her activities--not so much in her personality
or in the energy that she emanates. As time goes on, this energy
is starting to be drawn from that Source, as we described Athena
drawing this energy from her Overbeing, where it now permeates
her physical body and her Higher Bodies and is now contacting
other people just in the space around her. In that sense it radiates,
but it is not like radioactive, which is more the connotation
that W. made.
Now the rest of
the question regarding the so-called Reptilians
comes from those archaic associations bad-mouthing Athena, stomping
out the Goddess and saying that "snake" energy is bad,
and of the Devil or whatever people did with it to make the Goddess
seem so frightening and overwhelming. This was really a description
of that power and the way that power moves. If you can imagine
this power moving like fingers of flame now from our [Joanna]
and now affecting other people around her, they're going to have
somewhat the same reaction as those in ancient times did. Because
they're not conscious of what it is--they're not conscious of
what's happening and they're not clairvoyantly seeing anything--then
the first thing that happens is that people go into fear when
there's power there. This is why lesser gods were able
to control people and why lesser beings on Earth are able to
control people-- because people of lower consciousness fear power.
than trying to understand and then empower themselves, they either
fear it or they become subjugated and bonded to the one who's
Left: Archaic statue of Athena
(Acropolis Museum, Athens. As it turns out, [Joanna] traveled
to Greece in May 2002 . . .) Photo
by Joanna Neff.
[Joanna's] conflict about this quality of power has been described
in the two soul retrieval articles regarding an incarnation as
Athena, actually. She actually embodied the statue of Athena
in the Parthenon. There was this whole thing where the other
priestesses were jealous and felt so uncomfortable that they
said she wasn't really who she said she was. Therefore, she sort
of self-immolated or "crisped" herself out rather than
ascending in that lifetime because of deferring to their lower
consciousness, jealousies, and misunderstandings. In that experience
our [Joanna] asked, "Does that mean that I might be doing
the same thing in this lifetime--letting others' opinions of
me keep me from ascending?"and the answer was "Yes."
S: But she can change that?
That's what this whole process we're working on today with your
help is leading to. In order to come into full empowerment as
who she is, our [Joanna] needs to trust that she's not going
to run rampant over people when she comes into empowerment. She
needs not to have these false structures, these cross-checks
to make sure that she doesn't violate karmic considerations here.
Once she's liberated from the Yahweh guilt and from the other
religious guilt things that are so inculcated in people here,
she will be able to step into alignment--this is the term we
wish to use--step into alignment with her lineage and her Soul
Assignment with Athena. She will have that particular resonance
and the power of that connection, and get rid of the necessity
for human embodiment as all comes together at the Soul level
in a massive soul retrieval.
this is not instantaneous, but it can be discerned and be more
powerfully felt, more at some times than others. At least she
will not be taking two steps forward and one step back.
S: That's wonderful. So this
will be accomplished in this embodiment?
is possible in this embodiment, and the rest is up to
her. We cannot predict for a certainty that she will be able
to allow this. We're saying that what we have moved out and through
today, and what she has come to understand (starting even before
the session) empowers her to move in that direction much more
intensively and much more effectively.
S: Let me ask what your relationship
is with [Joanna].
relationship is that we are more and more her Higher Self. We
are a group consciousness, and so therefore you must infer that
her Higher Self is a group consciousness as well.
S: It is possible for you
to descend into her?
have already been descending into her. She understands that she
is not channeling us. She is currently calling it "linking"
with us, but we are saying to her that we have been merging with
her over time more and more. Only the limitations of her consciousness
allowance and understanding keep her from experience that merging
as fully as she could in everyday moments.
S: Do you have any steps for
her that will help to accelerate this process?
steps are much like you described and like what we discussed
with you about just letting that happen. The prescription or
recipe, if you will, is much the same as what we were describing
for all who wish to come into total communion with the
Divine aspect of them--the highest Divine aspect of them that
is able to communicate with them. That is, again, to keep refining
the relationship with Ego as it is necessary in the physical
body for your survival. Ego is your survival tool in 3rd Dimension.
You don't want to annihilate it; you just need to re-train it
and to come into a different relationship with it, so that your
Ego becomes a tool instead of your master.
when you come into total Heart/Spirit connection, then that Ego
tool has no more control over you. You are using it not only
to keep you grounded enough that you can complete your work here
[laughs] but also to help you relate to other people. Don't use
it as a tool to resolve spiritual questions. Don't use it as
a source of answers for spiritual questions. Don't use it as
a tool anywhere but in 3rd-Dimensional survival issues,
if you will--meaning, "I have to go to work today. I'd better
set my alarm clock." That's it. Retraining the Ego means
not allowing it to tryp to process such questions as those that
have been asked today.
S: But if we're going to have
at-onement with the Ego, it is possible to have the Ego not be
greater or less than the mind.
MELORA: You do not wish to attune
to the Ego, which is what at-onement is. You wish the Ego to
attune to you.
MELORA: . . . and to work with
you. This may be a revolutionary statement for most people.
S: I was think of the joining
together of, but you're talking about bringing the Ego up--
. . to a higher-vibrational association with the true Being that
you are. Most
people are bringing themselves down vibrationally to the
level of their Ego and serving their Ego.
S: I'd like some more steps
on elevating the Ego.
MELORA: All right. Any choice that
is not made out of love is inappropriate, will tie you to karma,
because you're attached to the outcome through your Ego. So when
the Hindus describe detachment, they're saying that any attachment
you have to the results of what you do, say, or think is to be
avoided. It's like a Higher part of you monitors the choices
that you make, and you can be sure that it's not the higher consciousness
if you're thinking, I'm going to give her this valentine because
it will feel so good when she gets so excited about it. [laughs]
However, that doesn't mean NOT to give her the valentine.
S: No. No. No. Just give it
out of love.
MELORA: Right. And not be attached
to the outcome.
S: It's out of love, totally.
MELORA: Yes, and that's not an
easy thing, is it? So you refine and re-train, so that
through your free-will choices, instead of knee-jerking to an
Ego choice, you now stop and examine it with your higher consciousness
and say: "Am I invested in this? Am I doing this because
of my Ego need?" If I am, I don't slap my Ego on the hand
with a ruler like an evil nun. I just say: "No. I'm going
to make this choice instead." You keep re-training
your Ego that you will no longer allow it to rule you. You train
it so that it no longer dictates the choices that you make and
the actions that you take. This is a process. You just
start now, and those are the steps. You continue to have your
higher consciousness monitor the choices that you make instead
of doing things out of habit--instead of just going in to your
Ego-based emotions as the source of why you make certain choices.